Wednesday, September 12, 2007

Burn baby burn

This is, to say the least, a rather interesting development.
An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.

John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.

Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.

The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.

The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Roy said. "Seeing it burn gives me the chills."

Roy will meet this week with officials from the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense to try to obtain research funding.

The scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen — which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit — would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.

"We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads," Roy said. "The potential is huge."
Huge may be either an overstatement or an understatement if, in fact, the process can be made to be energy positive. Which means we cannot use self-generated radio energy to break the bonds. Otherwise, it's a dead end. Given the constraints of thermodynamics, the energy input in breaking the bonds must be exactly equal to the energy gained by bond reformation (i.e hydrogen oxidization plus bond energy). This can only be an energy positive equation for us if we do not have to produce the input radio energy, which means exploiting some external radio source, like the sun.

While a fascinating idea, it is likely not quite the saviour that it might at first seem. Nonetheless, a rather amazing discovery. So amazing, in fact, it seems hard to believe that this hasn't already been seen.


Blogger Mentarch said...

QuestionL was this research submitted for publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal of note, or was this a publicity news announcement (instead of submitting a paper to a peer-reviewed journal)?

If it it the later, then this is quack/junk science - going publicity news-wide instead of publishing in a scientific journal of note is always the way to go when quack science is afoot ...

8:27 PM  
Blogger sb322 said...


This week we learned that on August 30 the United States Air Force flew a B-52, locked and loaded with nuclear warheads, from North Dakota to Louisiana. This broke a military policy going back to the 1960s against such flights.

There is a still more dreadful prospect though. Our "unitary executive" may be threatening or preparing a strike against us, the unruly and now war weary American People who are the greatest impediment to the Neocon New American Century plan. It used to be that only the 911 Truth community would entertain the idea that the next 911, the "911-2B" attack, could come from our own government. However, a recent spate of Bush administration pronouncements that we are due for such an attack has made it apparent to many other Americans that Bush would welcome a 911-2B event -- or might even arrange one


Why was a nuclear-armed bomber allowed to fly over the US?

Wednesday’s revelation that a US Air Force B-52 bomber flew over the length of the United States armed with six cruise missiles carrying nuclear warheads has attracted amazingly little media attention.

RUMOR: Within intelligence circles there are rumors that the munitions airmen acting on their own without orders, disconnected the powersuppy to each of the missiles prior to mounting them on the B52's pylons. This act prevented the onboard missile computers from being overridden from the ground and launched remotely [out of the control of the B52 pilots].

10:10 PM  
Blogger theBhc said...

Hi Mentarch,

You are right about that and we all remember the cold fusion fiasco. As far as I know this is just a quick "news note," and has not been reviewed or even verified by other research. At this point, the vericity of this claim is suspect.

I'd like to still stick with the larger point, which is no net energy gain without external sources, though it may be entirely irrelevent should this turn out to be another slap-happy guy who had a batch of salt water with an unnoticed film of oil on the top.

Glad to see you back!

10:30 PM  
Blogger theBhc said...


Yes, there are some strange things afoot, I would agree. How about the recent announcement that NORTHCOM is going to conduct a five day terrorism response excercise?



We've all seen the extremist right salivating at the thought of another 911, wishing for it even. Creeps.

10:34 PM  

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